The 4 Hour Work Week – is it a possibility?
I am referring here to the concept Timothy Ferriss wrote about in his book “The 4 Hour Work Week“. He was not suggesting working only 4 hours and being very poor, in fact the exact opposite!
If you have not read the book it is about “Escaping the 9-5, living anywhere and joining the new rich“. On the back of the book it says “do not read this book unless you want a new way of living. Forget the old concept of retirement and saving for the future – there is no need to wait and every reason not to.”
There are countless other books and advertisements on the topic of making it big online.
Living that Internet Dream! That is the reason that an online business is started by someone every day. In fact I heard every 30 seconds a new online business was started but I am not sure how true that is.
My online vision
I first caught a glimpse of the life style and possibilities when I met the late Cory Rudl (founder of Internet Marketing Center). It was in the late 90s and Corey was making his first trip to Australia.
Corey had become an internet millionaire in his 20s and was just beginning his teaching career.
Several years later I was blessed to accompany Corey on an Australian tour which we promoted.
At that time I really got to see the possibles of a very different lifestyle. However as I could not even use a computer back then and was a total technophobe I had a self limiting belief I could never do it.
But somehow even with that limiting belief the idea never left my head and I kept this vision of myself with an internet business.
Back to the question – Is the 4-Hour Work Week a Possibility?
I do not know. I sure am a very long way from it right now! I can see how over time as my business grows and I automate I can cut my hours back and outsource more.
To be really honest with myself, in my mind I can get to 4 hours a day as a goal maybe 4 days a week . I cannot envisage 4 hours a week – perhaps it is another self limiting belief I am holding.
The Online Reality for most people
When most people come online they quickly go into overwhelm. There are so many choices and ways you can make money online. There are also so many promises of a quick dollar. It is common for people to jump around and be anything but focused.
In reality I am yet to meet someone who came online and had instant success. Although there are programs that can fast track your learning and get you there much quicker.
You are building a business and that takes time. More time than many people are prepared to dedicate and then we hear those people saying it does not work to make money online.
It does work. There are many, many examples of people who are earning a good income online while enjoying a wonderful lifestyle.
Should you focus on one source of income or several?
This is a question I hear often and I have also asked of myself.
I am a firm believer in multiple streams of income because my husband and I have twice lost much due to not diversifying our income.
On the flip side of this there is a difficulty in trying to do too much at one time and not focusing on anything properly. You need to find your balance and carefully plan your time.
Residual Income
If you have been following my blog for anytime you will know this is something I am passionate about. Whatever you do online you need to be building a residual income.
If you do not know what residual income is please read my post on Residual Income.
In summary it is income that continues to generate after the initial work has been done. Without this you will always be chasing the new sale or providing the service and there is no way ever you will get to the 4 hour work week.
Also you will never have much time off or become one of the new rich. So whatever you do online include a way of building a residual income.
What do you think? Is the 4 Hour Work Week a Possibility?
I would love to hear what you think about the concept. What are you focusing on this year?
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Sue Price
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Martin Casper says
Hey Sue…you have hit on some very important keys to success. We all strive to become financially set to where we work because we want to work not because we have to work. Whether it is 4 hrs a week or 40 hrs per week. One problem that we all can be guilty of is getting too much going at once. I love multiple streams of income, but we must be sure to not allow ourselves to become a “jack of all trades and a master of none”.
Sue Price says
Hi Martin
Oh I so agree with you on your comment “jack of all trades and master of none”. That sounds just like me at the beginning online 🙂 I think most of us from what I can see went through this phase.
I am also with you on aiming to be able to work because we want to not because we have to, that will be a very nice place to be.
Thanks for your contribution here Marin and I hope you are having a nice weekend.
Sue
Justin says
Hi Sue,
The 4 hour work week is possible but it is something you will probably have to put 80 hours into to achieve. Perhaps creating an invention, a book, a song , or something where you could live off the passive residual income.
Sue Price says
Hi Justin
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Yes to get to the 4 hour week I think we need to do the big hours to get there.
There are many ways we can build a residual income we just need to make sure we do it.
Thanks for your comment.
Sue
Donna Merrill says
Hi Sue,
How much fun it must have been to meet Cory! As far as a 4 hour work week, I’ve met some part time marketers that can come close to that. I do believe in multiple streams of income and love it. But when taking your business on the internet there are so many things that go into it.
I find that once you find your niche, go for it and take that to products and services. It can spider out to selling it in so many different ways. Our blog, social sites, webinars, podcasts and kindle books to name some.
Once we do that with one thing, I believe that is the road to success. It’s all in the marketing!
Most importantly, I’ve seen people jump from one product to another, launching, pre launching, etc. From my observance I believe we need to have our own product as our lead product, then drip feed from there.
As for multiple streams of income: My online business is one, the others are investments offline that I enjoy, that are really passive! I just follow my passion.
Donna
Sue Price says
Hi Donna
Yes it was fun to meet Corey. He was such a cool guy. I loved traveling with him and we had fun. I cried for weeks when he was killed.
Yes there is so much to do when we come online. I feel like it is never ending and I guess it is really as things change so quickly.
I go in and out of wanting to do my own product. I guess even in our offline businesses we have sold other people’s products and made good money from some. Of course our own products are the only way we have real control.
You are spot on in saying it is all in the marketing. Robert Kiyosaki is a great example of this. He had Rich Dad Poor Dad turned down by publishers in the USA and self published. The guys I was in business with published it in Australia and it was here it became a best seller first. It was with much marketing and PR!
It was not until Robert went on Oprah that he took off in the USA – remind me to tell you the story on our hangout this coming week. There are many lessons there.
Oh yes that product launch thing is such a trap. I have jumped in a couple of times when I was new but I don’t even read the emails any more. It is so easy to get sucked in to the web of people like Mark Hoverson (who I love) and Jonathan.
Donna you are a great example of multiple streams of income and yours are so diverse it is a great strategy. I get you would follow your passion 🙂
Thanks for the great contribution here Donna.
Sue
Mayura says
Hi Sue,
Never thought of limiting myself from oline ’cause all my day goes with the PC and obviously I’m online 🙂 Income wasn’t a part of my blog first time, but as I move forward I’m trying to do that. So far I do earn a little from advertising which is perfectly alright for me as long as it doesn’t interfere readers.
However my income source is by offering services, which you may have already know. After my higher education, I’m in between a day job and online job where my wish and objective to work online to offer my online services alone and generate handsome income to spend more time with family. So far I’m doing great as a beginner in online business World as people started to trust me though I’m a newbie. Probably I won’t stop by 4 hours per day though 🙂 Let’s see. Initiating needs more work, right Sue? 🙂
Have a wodnerful week dear 🙂
Cheers…
Sue Price says
Hi Mayura
Thanks for sharing more of your story. I did not know you also had a day job. It is a great way to go so you can build up online first.
It is great you are earning from advertising and I have not been distracted by the ads so I am sure other readers are not either. It is funny I see ads on Facebook more than any where else and that is obviously as Facebook know more about me 🙂
I will check out your blog again to see the services you offer Mayura as I am sure they are valuable.
I think to get to 4 hours a week there is a lot of work initially as you say. I think it is a good goal to work to. I was taught in my business degree that we should always build our business so that one day it will work without us.
You also have a great week Mayura.
Sue
Mayura says
Woopies nopies Sue 🙂 I’m not having a day job yet, but after my degree that’s what my parents and everyone else expecting me to do 🙂 I know they wanna find me in a good place with handsome income. That’s why I said I’m rolling between day job and online business dear. But I’m on online business 😀 lol…
My goal is to blooming with online business and when I acheive it and show I can get paid while being at home, I can change the attitude of ones whom want me t have a day job Sue. A challenge, no? 😉
Cheers…
Sue Price says
Okay Mayura I got it! I misunderstood you before.
I think it is a challenge to change people’s attitude who ant you to have a day job. I know someone who is an author, become very rich by investing in real-estate and teaches. He went straight from University to property investor 30 years ago. Even though he is a multimillionaire his mother is disappointed he never got a job 🙂
Cheers
Sue
Viola Tam says
Hi Sue,
I love the discussion around making money online, multiple streams of income, residual income and a fascinating idea of a 4-hour week! I think it is possible!
I agree with you that it takes time to build a business but it certainly need not take the 40-year plan to get to retirement! I have just been led to John Chow’s amazing money making story. Starting from scratch, his monthly income is now $40,000! He started with PASSION. Following his heart, he shares with consistent blogging, averaging 1.8 post A DAY! What is encouraging is that in the first 8 months, he had only 1000 visitors to his blog!
In case you want to take a look, here is the link: http://johnchow.com
I have opted in to see how this works!! Amazing!
I also believe firmly in having multiple streams of income. Network Marketing and affiliate marketing or coaching (personal or membership sites) can work very well.
I am going that direction 🙂
Great work, Sue!
Viola The Business Mum
Sue Price says
Hi Viola
Oh I am so with you that building a business does not need a 40 year plan :-). I had not heard of John Chow before but went right over to his blog and I too have opted in. That is a great story.
I really think unless we have multiple streams of income we put ourselves at a greater risk. I know this first hand!
Oh and thanks for mentioning membership sites. I guess anything with a repeat income works and that is certainly a good way to build a repeat income.
I see John Chow has ads on his blog so that is a nice passive income I am sure.
Thanks for your comment Viola.
Have a great week given the weekend here is almost over.
Sue
Hale says
HI Sue,
I’ll have to actually read the book one day. I know it is about outsourcing a lot of your work. I think I’d go nuts or become a HUGE volunteer if I only had four hours a week of productive output.
BTW I love the line about coming on line and hitting overwhelm. You are singing my song. 🙂
Regards,
Dr. Hale
Sue Price says
Hi Hale
Yes the book is about outsourcing your life pretty much 🙂
I too would need another game or something to do if I only worked 4 hours a week. I live in a vacation seaside town in Australia and I see people who have retired young and say they are bored.
Overwhelm is a big thing for most of us when we come online I think.
Thanks for your comment Hale and have a good week.
Sue
Becca says
I think 4 hours is not enough if someone really want to focus on work or business. And if someone only work everything on its business.
Sue Price says
Hi Becca
The book is about getting to 4 hours by outsourcing most things. It would take a lot of work to get there.
Thanks for your comment
Sue
Sylviane Nuccio says
Excellent post Sue and thanks for sharing your story.
I do believe that some successful people can make this 4 hours a week true for them, but most even wealthy online people that I know do work way more than that. However, they are not complaining and they love it.
Like you I believe in multiple sources of income and as a matter of fact, my income comes from multiple sources as I am writing this words. So no only I believe it, but live by it.
Most of us are people with multiple talents and abilities, why not using them to generate multiple sources of income? Makes sense, doesn’t it?
Thanks for this very interesting subject 🙂
Sue Price says
Hi Sylviane
I think your comment on the people you know who are working way more than that and complaining is very valid. It really becomes a choice doesn’t it once you have the income to be able to outsource.
People often have said things to me about Robert Kiyosaki like “if he is so rich why does he still work” – answer is he wants to!
Great you have multiple sources of income Sylviane it is such a good thing to make sure we have in place. And yes it does make sense to use our multiple skills and talents.
Thanks for your comment.
Have a great week.
Sue
Pauline says
Hi Sue
I will have to read that book if I can, it sounds very good.
I too believe in multiple sources of income but think it takes more than 4 hours to achieve this, well for quite a while anyways. Maybe in the future I can have this happen but to be honest I love being at my computer and would get bored LOL
Thanks for sharing, hope you are enjoying your day 🙂
Pauline
Sue Price says
hi Pauline
Do read the book. It has some great tips on outsourcing and building your business so you can have freedom. Even though I cannot get my head around only working 4 hours I like the direction 🙂
I cannot say I love being at my computer but I am here a lot of hours.
Thanks for your comment and have a good day.
Sue
Barbara Charles says
Hi Sue. I agree with everything you’ve discussed and have suffered all the issues you’ve described above. It’s amazing that there is not system in place to help one person get to where they want to be. As you noted, there are so many packages (everyone doing there own thing), a person can’t help but get overwhelmed. I’m glad to see such an article to give people a real idea of what it takes to build an online business.
Sue Price says
Hi Barbara
If I had my starting point over again I would find a coach/mentor and pay for time with them. Although then when you are brand new how do you know who is good?
Some of the various teams in Empower Network are putting together some great training and I assume there are other programs that do the same.
You and I came online to build a network marketing business. The business I was with at the time had no tools to market on the internet and that made it really difficult.
This has to be our year of focus Barbara.
Thanks for your comment and have a great week.
Sue
Carol Lynn says
Good question, Sue. I have mixed feelings. I think it’s possible to work less and make more, if you’re smart about what you’re doing and you have the right systems in place. I also think there is the flip side, which is that building and maintaining relationships and community is something you have to do in an ongoing way that is going to take time. Soooo…. four hours, literally? not unless you’re a seriously high powered exec making some serious passive income and you don’t have to do much else but sit there and manage your bank accounts. But I bet many of us could be working a lot less and making a lot more if we could put the processes into place!
Sue Price says
Hi Carol
Have you read Timothy Ferris’s book? It is really about outsourcing everything. But I am with you on maintaining relationships etc not sure if I want to outsource that.
I cannot get my head around 4 hours only a week. But I am sure it is possible for some as you say.
My husband and I were partners with another guy in a traditional business years back. We shifted to the other side of Australia to start a sister business so did not work hands on in the first business anymore. We just took our share of the profit which was quite handsome at the time. We attended director meetings once a month for about 3 hours and probably did only work a total of 4 hours a week. But we had 40+ staff and I do not want to go there again!
I agree many of us could work smarter and less hours I am sure.
Thanks for your comment Carol.
Sue
Kesha Brown says
Hmmm, in the run, yes I think it’s possible. As a startup or one man/woman show, not necessarily. I read the book as well and most of what it proposes is delegation and outsourcing and even then (with the right money to outsource all that I want to anyway) I can’t see it right now (at least right now for me).
I’m like you – I can see working maybe part-time most days. But there is so much I want to do that I can see me always dabbling into something. 🙂
Oh and I’m a firm believer in multiple streams of income as well. And like another commenter mentioned, I’m working on getting one fully off the ground before getting into another one so that I don’t overwhelm myself. 🙂
Sue Price says
Hi Kesha
I agree I do not believe as a startup we can get anywhere near 4 hours a week in the beginning at least. As you also have read it the part I could not comprehend is he just does not answer his email – period! Now you already know email is my “I have to do” so maybe I should follow his lead.
Part time most days would be nice for sure but I think I am with you on needing to dabble in something.
That is a wise decision Kesha to get one income stream going properly first. I have tried it the other way doing more than one and my result was nothing going anywhere. So I too am focused now on one.
Thanks for your comment
Sue
Adrienne says
Hey Sue,
Like you, I’m nowhere near being able to work just 4 hours a week or even 4 hours a day. I put way too many hours into my business but I also know a lot of that concept is outsourcing the majority of the work.
I think when you get to a certain place in your business that you can afford to go that direction then it’s probably the smartest way to go. I mean there are so many things each of us don’t really understand which is why it probably takes us so much longer to accomplish it. But at the same time I prefer knowing what’s involved.
I enjoy what I do so much I don’t know if I’ll ever reach that stage. I hope I do though so that I can make that choice. Great concept though and I know people who are doing it.
~Adrienne
Sue Price says
Hi Adrienne
I think most of us work too many hours in the beginning but I am sure all the dudes who are working only a few and outsourcing worked huge hours first up too.
It is all about outsourcing for sure. I would like to have a person manage the outsourcing. Do you know Gideon Shalwick? He is one of the video marketing gurus around. He lives close to where I live and does training on outsourcing. He has a VA at a high level who manages the rest of the people he outsources to. Last I heard there were about 8 of them in total. I live that idea 🙂
I think your closing remark is the key Adrienne. “I don’t know if I’ll ever reach that stage. I hope I do though so that I can make that choice.” – we should all be aiming to have that choice so when life throws us a curve ball our business is running without us for whatever time is needed. Or maybe when you and Sylviane and I go to Paris 🙂 Did you read our conversation on her blog about that one?
Thanks for your comment Adrienne and have an excellent week.
Sue
Michael A. Buccilli says
Wow Sue… A great post and also great comments from all.
I do know by experience that the “4-hour Work Week” is very possible. I learned from an early age the benefits and advantages of residual income first by being a part of a mlm company known as ‘Shaklee’, and then another know as ‘Amway’. I was only in the programs for a couple of years but they taught me a lot; I felt the concept of residual income and I was hooked.
Most people that are able to attain that type of lifestyle have to work quite hard before they are able to reduce to that little number of hours. some people are able to connect with a product that takes off quickly; but, that is not the norm.
I am not sure if either myself or you awesome women from “The Superstar 7” will go down to that low number of working hours a week, but, not because we don’t have the knowledge, products and ability; but because we love what we do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not saying none of will reduce our load, just saying that when you love what you do – you keep doing it.
Sue Price says
Hi Michael
Thanks for the comment on the post and I agree there are some great comments here.
Now I did not know our mlm history. I did Amway way back for a bit too. I think the good thing about Amway was it’s training. I know so many people who had time with Amway and learned some great skills while they were there. Yes residual income is so important so glad to know you are hooked 🙂
I agree with you most people who do get to the dream lifestyle worked a lot of hours to get there. It is attainable as we see many examples around us.
I think you are right about our Superstar group in that we all love what we do an I think we are a bit addicted too. I think though Adrienne hit the nail on the head when she said she would like to have the choice in the future to work less if that is what she chose. A good direction to go I think.
I would like to be able to have more vacations and not feel overwhelmed when I come back to work.
Thanks for your comment Michael. See you in a couple of days.
Sue
Michael A. Buccilli says
Hello Sue, I agree with you and Adrienne. That is the basic of what I was trying to say in our last “hangout”, that the main reason that I have always wanted to be financially independent is not because I have a love for money or anything materialistic. It is because I am so in love with traveling and getting to see more of the beautiful planet that we all call home.
before my stint with cancer in 2006 I was able to go on a cruise to the Bahamas, I was in Jamaica for four days, I have seen many of the beautiful states that make up The United States, I have been to Quebec, Canada, and I have been to Niagra Falls Canada – having seen these places, I can not continue to sit still and not venture out. That is my major motivation – I love to learn about different cultures and experience them for myself.
Sue Price says
Michael I so love traveling too. I have not been to the Bahamas and really want to.
I have been to the west coast of the USA and to Arizona and Texas but still much to see. I have also been to the west coast of Canada. I lived in London for a year and traveled through a bit of Europe and North Africa. I have also been to a reasonable amount of South East Asia and Fiji, New Zealand. When I was a kid I had a dream I wanted to go to every country in the world 🙂 – I need to get cracking again.
See you tomorrow Michael.
Sue
Michael A. Buccilli says
That is so cool Sue, I want to get to see Australia, New Zealand, and definitely Fiji (I think that is where they filmed the movie “The blue Lagoon”)
I also want to see Paris France, and Italy.
Sue Price says
Michael, I love the idea we all meet in Paris 🙂
Michael A. Buccilli says
We will have to come to an agreement eventually – Donna and I have talking about maybe all of us going on a cruise to the Caribbean.
Sue Price says
Yes I saw that conversation 🙂
Neamat Tawadrous says
Hi Sue,
This is a great engaging post Sue.
Being new to network marketing and the online world, I see it far away to work only 4-hour per week. I don’t know anyone yet who is but I trust the ladies here who said they know some people who do. Then it is possible but after an initial load of work to establish the business to work for you later.
I think multiple streams of income is a good idea and I am in the process of learning how to do it but the most important is to build residual income as you said.
Thanks for this great post Sue. It sure got me thinking more about several income streams.
Be Blessed,
Neamat
Sue Price says
Hi Neamat
Yes there is a lot of work to do for us all before we get to anything like 4 hours a week. I think having it or some other number as a goal at least makes us find ways to work smarter.
I still feel quite new to the online world and I have now been here for 3 years. I know that is not a long time but it is not new anymore. I was in a fog when I first came online.
I wish you a very successful 2013 in your online and networking business Neamat and thanks for your comment.
Sue
James says
Hi sue, Thanks for sharing this post on the 4 hour work week. I have read it several times over the last 4 years, and there are a few key ideas that many people miss.
first of all, as you have mentioned several times, he didnt start there, he got there by doing what others thought was impossible to do. many of the people commenting here are really great, but if you believe you can’t do it, you won’t…
Another key thing that a lot of people miss out is in the fact that it wasn’t really that he only works 4 hours a week on his business. One of the main points was doing work you love so much that it doesn’t seem like you are working, even when you are. I know many people here who have done that, like my good friend Adrienne up there.
When you are really passionate, there will always be those tasks you love to do and the tasks that you can’t stand. the book teaches to focus on the things you love to do and eliminate or outsource all the tasks that you hate doing or that tend to waste time, but need to be done.
if you find that balance, you will work the hours you want to work, and can spend 4 hours a week only on the tasks that you really don’t like doing (thats really the “4 hour work week” Getting yourself to the point where you spend 4 hours a week doing tasks that you don’t like doing, and the rest is outsourced. (because no matter how much you outsource, you still have to follow up to make sure the job is being done right)
Really great post, and I am glad to see so many people I admire here.
Sue Price says
Hi James
Thanks for your contribution here, I really appreciate it. You have clarified what the book is about beautifully.
I have known and worked with Robert Kiyosaki for over 20 years. Way back when I first met him he used to say “don’t do something yourself you can pay someone else to do”. He referred to business but also things like cleaning the house and doing the gardening. Now he also has the same qualification which was “unless you love it”. So if gardening is a chore and you live in a house without a garden outsource it. If it is your relaxation and you love it – do it.
It is the same idea you are talking about from the book. Outsource the things you do not want to do and you will be much happier.
You are correct in that you still have to follow up with the people doing the jobs for you. I made that mistake in business in the past of delegating and letting go too much. That is a fine line to walk.
And James you are so correct in saying if people believe they cannot they will not. It all starts with what we believe.
Thanks for your comment James. Have a great weekend.
Sue
James says
I understand what you mean. I think many of the marketers I talk to have made the mistake of not following up on outsourcing partners. I lost a lot of money early on that way.
However, I talk to people all the time who outource work, get shoddy work, pay for it anyway, then want to give up and call IM all a scam because it didn’t work for them the first few times they did it.
I saw one guy spend over 10K in outsourcing without making a single sale, but he never followed up, checked their work, or seemed to even care to learn anything about how to manage workers.
If you are outsourcing, you need to manage your team, unless like Tim, and many others I know, you can outsource that too.
Sue Price says
Wow James $10K is a lot to spend without following up.
I guess when we start managing people we all have to learn. It is part of the learning of running a business. Oh and yes your last line here would be the ultimate and that is to outsource the managing of the people. I know a couple of people in the area I live who do just that and are having much success.
Thanks James for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Sue
Sonia says
I think a 4 hour work week is possible for anyone willing to put in the work. Nothing happens overnight and you explained this perfectly. I have been through my fair share of programs that promised everything under the sun, but I wasn’t willing to put in the work required to get there.
Sure, some of them sounded “cheesy” and they probably were, but they were living the dream and I wasn’t. How do I get there and how bad do I want it? That’s the real question because everyone wants to wake up in their jammies (ME!!! ) and work from home. Is it possible? Heck yeah, and I am working my way towards it, but with anything it takes time. Life happens and you work with what you got. Great post Sue!
Sue Price says
Hi Sonia
You have nailed it on the head here Sonia as it is about putting in he work to get there. To outsource and have a processes in place to work like this also takes planning.
I am sure you have seen your share of “cheesy” out there. I know you are working towards this possibility and you will get there. It does take time and I think we all need to be realistic about that.
Thanks for your comment Sonia.
Sue
Mike M. says
Hi Sue,
I think you’re right that there are two things that help make the 4 hour workweek possible:
1) The internet – allows people to work anywhere, including a beach hammock or whatever the dream scape may be
2) Residual income – allows people to get to a point where they can work less, although that will take some years of building
I don’t think it’s possible to right off the bat live the 4 hour work week and still make a full income. So someone can’t quit their day job and the next day be on a beach somewhere. But that said, it’s certainly possible after a year or two. Just need to keep the dream alive and working smart and hard towards it!
Mike
Sue Price says
Hi Mike
I agree with you. Before the Internet this dream would have been very difficult to achieve. It certainly changed our lives.
Oh and your second one is my favorite topic. Residual income is so important and yes it takes time to build but gives us freedom ultimately.
I also do not believe that it is possible to have the 4 hour work week with full time income off the bat. Isn’t that hammock idea one many of us visualize? Yes we do need to keep the dream alive.
I live you used the words “working smart” not “working hard”. I see a 4 hour work week for you down the track 🙂
Thanks for your comment here Mike, I appreciate it.
Sue